Tag Soup | Learning by Reflecting on Your Deer Season

Tag Soup | Learning by Reflecting on Your Deer Season
January 7, 2020


Missing out on filling your whitetail tag doesn't feel good. If you take time to reflect on what went wrong and what to do better next year will turn out better. When you find yourself asking what to do with your unused whitetail tags there are a lot of different things that you can change to fill your freezer next season. Eric Clark, podcast host and Where2Hunt founder, shares what gear upgrades make the biggest difference, how to find information to learn tactics and strategies, how important heavy arrows are, how to keep your trail cams from being stolen, nontraditional ways to fill the freezer, e-scouting, where and how to find more land to hunt, the biggest mistakes new hunter make, and how to make the game in your freezer last longer.

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Gear Mentioned:
Tethrd Tree Saddle

SPYPOINT Link-Micro-LTE Trail Camera

TACTACAM REVEAL Cellular Trail Camera

Vector Custom Shop - Arrows

QAD Exodus Full Version Broadheads 3-Pack Silver, 125

Simmons ProSport 600 Laser Rangefinder

Scent Crusher Gear Bag

First Lite Men's Sawtooth Hybrid Vest

CAMLOCKBOX Muddy Pro Cam Security Box

SPYPOINT Cell-Link Universal Cellular Adapter

Buck Buck Moose - Hank Shaw

Afield - Jesse Griffith

Show Notes:
James Nash Gearbox Talk

Okayest Hunter Podcast

Where2Hunt Podcast

The Rich Outdoors

Parker Mcdonald Gearbox Talk

Where2Hunt Website

Spartan Forge

Transcription:

Brad: hunting season is winding down across the country and many of you are left looking for one thing a tasty way to eat that hunting tag you didn't fill it's okay I've  been there often but look here's the thing the time to improve your in-season performance is in the off season today we are putting an fda level ban on tag soup it's bad for your soul it has no nutritional value and quite frankly it tastes like crap there is no man better to do this than Eric Clark the founder of the where to hunt podcast and product and the okayest hunter he's been hunting for 17 years and he does a great job of creating content that makes people better at what they love to do today we're going to hit a wide range of topics including things to consider in the off-season possible gear upgrades how to find new information other hunting opportunities you've overlooked scouting tips on running out of fingers how to use technology better and we'll talk about how to get the most out of your wild game that's left from last season that's a lot of stuff hey you know what else makes you a better hunter gearbox talk so subscribe subscribe write subscribe subscribe right now cause I can't stand the idea of you chewing that tag pulp for another second this is gearbox talk with Eric clark

 

eric Clark welcome to gearbox talk I'm  excited to talk about all things after season and how you can get ready for next season how's it going man

Eric: good dude thanks for having me this is freaking cool yeah

Brad: I love the camera angle too it's gonna be perfect for over getting an overview of some of your gear that you're using let's dive into it man all right this episode's focused on maybe you ate a little tag soup and you realize you got some things to learn this year right I mean this happens to us I've  been skunked but plenty of times before getting skunked is part of what ended up with my journey going into founding GoWild and I know that you have you have a passion for helping people get better and so I wanted to have you on to talk about this but let's first dive into what elements of your hunt do you evaluate after each season what are you looking at what are you thinking about improving and let's start right there

Eric: sure I mean at least in terms of gear for me like I've  been evaluating this season and prepping for next season already so I have a co-host for the podcast greg tubbs and I chop a lot of this up with him because he's more technical than I am and one of the biggest things is a tree stand I do the hanging bang kind of style as it's called right hang and hunt been doing that since before it was called that you know 17 years ago and I just don't like having a stand in my back I don't like feeling like a turtle I don't like army crawling with that junk and getting stuck on everything I just don't like it I want to feel like a ninja so for me next year the biggest thing I'm  validating is that and I'm  likely gonna go all in on the saddle stuff so I can still have the elevation but not have to carry all this junk with me so that's a big one right now

Brad: that that has been mine I keep saying I'm  gonna look at a saddle and then this year I've  talked to parker mcdonald who is one of the most tenacious saddle hunters out there that I know of and then I had greg the founder of tethered on restless native my other podcast and talked to him about founding that company and I'm  like I'm  doing it I'm  gonna do it this year I probably won't because I'm  just like I always get caught up in stuff I'm  like oh crap it's deer season I didn't do what I said I was gonna do but if you're gonna get into saddle hunting it's good to do it now or or at least you know pre-season so you can get comfortable that you really don't want to be climbing a tree with something you've never used before so you know that's a one one element you're looking at what are the most important pieces of gear to upgrade overall and it may not be something as big as a tree stand you know switching to saddle hunting but what what's something that people should look at that's gonna have a lot of impact on success

Eric: sure so I'll  talk about two things and one of them's in the background here but before I get to that one of the things that greg does a lot is he runs trail cams lots of them but he has property not in his backyard but pretty damn close it's like a three-minute car ride to the public land that he hunts so he lays out I think this year he had seven or nine different trail cams and so he's in a position where he can check them frequently I am 35 to 40 minutes away from that destination and I don't have that kind of time to just be gunning out there to check a trail cam so I want to implement cell cams in next season and not because I want to like sit at home and wait for it to flag and then run out there when a deer pops up but I want to be able to get that inventory and just have it come to my phone without having to take that commute that's one the other is my arrows and I did that transition last offseason into this season and it paid off because I got above a buck on public land I got a full pass through

Brad: congrats

Eric: greg's running the same set up as I am but we're using a company called vector custom shop for our aero setup and they have a they have a partnership with ethics archery which is an insert out search system that focuses on like front of center foc and to give you a heavy arrow build and where vector is different than others as far as I'm  aware of is they manufactured a thick walled micro diameter carbon arrow so in a traditional sense a micro try to think of the terminology that's coming through my head here the the thin arrows are not traditionally a really thick wall so it's just a it's a more solid build so I'll  show you really quick yep just

 

i saw my broadheads on here so I gotta be careful

 

so this arrow is what I'm  talking about here right and this is a 300 grain arrow it goes all the way down to like two something the smaller the number the more densely compact or stronger this stronger this arrow is so there's not a lot of flex here I'm  really bending kind of hard here and you're not seeing anything happen yeah really heavy arrow my setup is 505 grains that's not typical I don't think but you can call it up to like 700 plus grains yeah and that's fully outfitted with the the qad broadhead that's what I'm  using here

Brad: so if anybody wants to really dive into this one of my most popular episodes of gearbox talk is with james nash who is just a bad dude with a bow I mean he shoots like birds it goes upland hunting with a trad bow he literally is insane and he knows more about he has forgotten more about broadheads than I'll  ever know and we'll we'll put a link to that show in the show notes because it is such an interesting conversation and he advocates for what you're talking about of shooting heavy and and you know he he talks about he really gets in the weeds on good broadheads the type of broadhead to consider the weight of the arrow and it's a really fascinating discussion I love james he's every time I talk to this guy I learn

something so we'll we'll drop a link into that so you can see more of what eric's talking about what else you got man what other upgrades

Eric:  yeah and so just the last point on that like I I'm  obviously wearing the okayest hunter sweatshirt here so for me if I'm  going to miss a shot slightly right I want to just have a little more confidence that full draw that maybe I'll  punch through a shoulder blade or a clavicle or something like that so I think when you talk about success that could increase the odds of success of deer that you are going to be shooting ever so slightly so that's I know I think that's probably one of the bigger ones at least I'm  confident that I had some success this season because of that yeah and if I if I can do it anybody can do it because I know very little about that stuff but good company good people and they'll say that heavy arrows fly slower but you know no arrow is going to fly faster than the speed of sound so no matter what you know you got to deal with that

Brad: that was james' biggest point too I asked him about flying slow and he said you know when you really start to look at the the breakdown of of the these time differences none of it matters he says really what matters is having an arrow that's going to get full penetration and he talked about shooting his bow and he he says the target 3d targets are like shaking when they're done because the arrows are so heavy he's like that's what you want you you speed doesn't matter as much as everybody thinks it does

Eric: yeah no and then so it's funny you asked this question because you know I had to think about what am I doing to prep so I'm  a pretty impatient human being so some of the changes I made real time during the season I missed a buck I don't know how or why but I assumed to have somebody with my range so that same day I went and bought a rangefinder yeah I'm  gonna make this change right now because that's gonna happen again

Brad: which rangefinder did you go with

Eric: you know what I can't recall off top my head i'd have to i'd I should have grabbed it honestly I didn't I didn't consider that piece of equipment even though now I'm  talking about it but it's within my price range it wasn't one that it wasn't like a vortex it wasn't trying to think the other big brand out there but I'm  happy with it it's comfortable and it's actually less expensive some other known brands but it it did a better job of like easability and ease of use and like the clarity of it I really appreciated merino wool is the other thing that I implemented mid-season I all my other stuff was smelly like it just stunk yeah and I use a scent crusher bag and I think that thing's awesome I treat it like a washing machine more than anything else but this stuff that I had just was old and tired and stunk so I splurged and I spent 100 per piece of clothing you know so top and bottom was 200 bucks for I think it was below zero is what the company's called okay and you know I looked outside of the hunting industry to kind of look at that because I know a lot of people that are like climbing everest and things that aren't hunters but that stuff's built for the worst possible conditions and so that was one purchase I'm  like super thrilled about the comfortability of the merino wool the breathability of it the warmth everything about it and the fact that doesn't hold a scent I think it's a big game-changer I think it was well worth the money and I'm  not going to spend that money again for a very long time regardless so I'll  get my money's worth out of that one Brad: merino wool is a good investment I've  got merino from a company that doesn't exist anymore but I love the the sweatshirt that I have from them and then I've  got several first light items that are merino wool that are really great I've  got the I think it's a sawtooth vest and I can't remember the name of the gator but I can't imagine they have that many of those but I also believe in merino because of what you said you know if you you start out sometimes especially up where you guys are you know it can be so cold and those temp shifts when they go up you don't want to start sweating and merino is surprisingly comfortable when it's warm and and it seems like it has more range than a lot of other items and I think it's a great thing to have in your tool set for those those mid temp days I wanted to ask you you mentioned cell cams have you done any research what camera are you thinking

Eric: I haven't done a lot I think tacticam has put out some they do everything's on fire too it's selling like hot cakes so and I know there's other brands going on there's other brands that are maybe like higher quality etc and maybe a little more money but I hunt public land only and exclusively so I'm  not trying to spend a whole bunch of money into something that could get stolen stolen on land so

Brad: I've  had four cameras stolen on private land

Eric: it happens to happen and I know like exodus they do a great job they make a great product and they'll have they have an obs warranty and actually like replace your unit if it gets stolen for that first time so that's a big deal but it's still a big chunk of money and I don't want to have to go through all that stuff like again I'm  trying to like reduce the friction of the hunting season I want to make everything as convenient as possible based on the lifestyle that I live with raising two kids and such so anything I do to save time and increase the the output that's what I'm  looking for

Brad: yeah one one thing if you're new that you don't know you may not know about trail cameras yeah you can buy locking systems and I don't put a camera out without some type of locking system on it now and I even use for some of my cameras I have a cam lock box I think is the name of it and it's a steel box I mean it's bear proof basically I mean I guess a bear could technically claw through that hole where the camera's sitting but I mean you know they're they're not going to be able to destroy your cameras if they get messing around on a tree where your camera is and for thieves it just makes it all that much harder to get your camera out of there and stuff

Eric: it'll lock the contents too at the past yeah it's like if you get it what are you going to do with this it's dead to you yeah you get anything out you can't get into the thing so maybe that might deter somebody too but I know there's a company that made like a sticker that says this is backed by you know satellite or whatever tracking gps tracking I think that's probably great if they weren't advertising everyone everyone was aware of it if it lived in a vacuum I think it worked but like hello you know everyone knows it's just a stupid sticker and like how are you even gps tracking this are you kidding me you know yeah right technology so yeah they say it helps to ward off thieves maybe you might consider it or second guess i'd like is it really you know maybe I won't take it so if that's all I need like for a couple of dollars for a sticker maybe that'll help but I don't know

Brad: I had a I had three cameras stolen on a property at once one time they like I don't even know how they found some of these things they were so far back in the woods and I got really hardcore into it that year I don't do this anymore because it's way too much time I was like camouflaging all of my cameras you know they're like covered in moss you couldn't see anything I was like this is not worth it you know and cameras you know they it seems like the quality's gone up they're more affordable as technology does so you know you don't have to pop for 350 to get a really good hd camera anymore you can get something more affordable yeah anyways man any more gear before I ask you our next question anything else you want to throw out there

Eric: the cell cam thing I think too you can buy an adapter to turn a cheap you can into a cell cam so like that's something I'm  considering too just buying a bunch of cheapos lobbing that on there and calling it a day so I have to compare that out and that's something I'm  doing this off season that I want to set up before we get to next season yeah spy point came out with one of those at shot show this year I can't I can't remember the name of the product exactly maybe it's just cell link it might but it plugs in right yeah it plugs cell link plugs in and you can turn any almost any I mean there's a compatibility of what it'll work with but yeah I mean the cell cameras are browning moultrie you mentioned tacticam there's a lot of them out there these days it's really just finding you know one that you're comfortable with the the thing to look for on those is how the the plans work because really like the cameras are very much in similar price ranges you want to make sure you understand how the plan is going to work once you get it yep all right man where do you go for information you're a guy that's kind of you created a whole platform with where to hunt and you know if anybody's we'll have to talk about that at the end just to give a shout out to what it is but you know you very much of of trying to find more information right and that's real time information but when you're doing preseason scouting you know or or really like right right now people who did come off and eat a tag this year you know while you're thinking about it let's go ahead and start digesting some content but where do you turn to for content whether it's you know books or podcasts articles videos where are you digesting your educational content

Eric: yeah you're not gonna like my answer a whole lot because you kind of answered it in the question a lot of the stuff comes to me because I interview all of these folks yeah it's great I'm  guessing for almost 10 years and I've  been doing the where to hunt show for seven years and that's a big bank of knowledge of just by talking people you learn differently so rather than just consuming it via a podcast engaging in something like this it's a different learning process I will say the biggest learning thing that I got this season was something that I launched last season through where to hunt called tactic talk where I interviewed guys that were putting down really big deer mature bucks known for it in various parts of the country and I mapped the conversations to where we're at in the season and I would talk to those guys for 15 minutes and like a really granular deep dive topic and those I don't think I've  learned anything as much as I've  learned in a very compact manner there I think that moved the needle for me a ton this past season by talking to these guys firsthand hearing their stuff like cody de quisto jared shuffler hearing some of their strategies about specifically how they're doing something really acute like selfishly that I was trying to learn so you know all the content I produce is you know in some degree has been kind of selfish in what I'm  trying to learn in my journey it turns out most people are trying to learn that stuff too that being said the best place I found is you know forums are you know I like them for some reasons I hate them for other reasons what I can't stand is like the you know thousand thousand pages of rules that you have to read on that like don't do this don't do that if you do this you're kicked out if you do that you're just like oh my god like yeah can I even even post without getting kicked out but once you get past a lot of like the hate comments and some of the things that live in there when the neck is trying to bite the head off in this space some of those can hold really good information just conversationally from hunter to hunter and so just even just reading through the comments of other posts has been helpful and I will say that I started diving into reddit which I don't totally get reddit I don't fully comprehend it but there are a few subreddits for heavy arrow setups and for hunting and public land and those conversations have been more cordial than anything else I've  seen online by and large and I would have to say your platform has been a great beacon of that also like looking for recommendations and things of that nature so forums reddit and GoWild and then being a podcaster I get a lot of it coming in so I actually don't consume a ton of podcasts if I do it's more audible books and like business podcasts but I don't listen to a ton while they're hunting podcasts I don't have a need to like have that inform what I'm  trying to do so I just try to put my blinders on and go at my own pace

Brad: yeah I used to listen to tons of hunting podcasts and I think a lot of it was trying to learn the western style of hunting for to make sure GoWild was not just an echo chamber of whitetail hunting I wanted to build something that catered to everybody and I just got so burned out on listening to hunting stuff because like you said I'm  in it all the time and a lot of times I tell my team I'm  like if you don't give me a strategy I'm  just going to talk to people I want to talk to you and we're going to go where we want to go so I've  done actually some of the best podcasts in hunting have been built that way cody rich literally just founded the show so that he could teach himself to get better at elk hunting and bear hunting and he just had the best of the best into his show I'll  throw his show out the rich outdoors is amazing you can just search for whatever you want in cody's list he's got I don't know what show number he's on now I think it's in the 500s and you can just you know go through all of cody's content some of that he's taken over to patreon but a lot of those you know he had 400 shows I think before he ever went over to patreon so you have tons of wealth of knowledge to learn from from there it's funny you mentioned GoWild man I forums and reddit were like good but not what I wanted out of it which is why we built GoWild and we actually modeled GoWild though off of forums and reddit like the go out people don't realize that go out is a forum it's a more visual forum though when you post into deer hunting you're actually yeah it's a sub exactly off of reddit so you know people ask us like is this facebook for the outdoors and I'm  like man you can think of it that way if that helps you but really it's more like reddit and I don't usually tell people that because I don't want to get into explaining what reddit is because like you said

Eric: it's like but you know there wasn't like a year and a half ago there wasn't a lot of deer hunting stuff there I was like there and I was like man there's nothing here and like then this year I checked again like within the last three months and I'm  like whoa where'd all this come from like yeah I think people are just becoming more internet savvy yeah they are all together right so now we're seeing other audiences start to kind of spin up

Brad: it's a weird place man and like you said I've  posted into the hunting subreddit before and had the mods like contact me if you post that again I'm  going to kick you off of here because I it was something about GoWild like you're self-promoting I'm  like I'm  sharing content that I made like I didn't know that you couldn't do that it wasn't spam but sometimes you post and it's cool like I've  posted I post in there every now and then you know usually not promotional but one fair warning the forums and reddit approach cautiously do scan through the rules if you're new to that all right man so so great answer on where you go for information I think you left off a whole laundry list of places to go through for there let's talk about though and I don't think you're necessarily a small game hunter but what advice do you have for maybe options for somebody if they they don't necessarily get a deer you know people kind of I think a lot of people are like this is you know that's the way to get meat and it is a great way or if you're out west and elk you know obviously like getting a large big game animal is going to provide a lot of meat but for if you're new what are some of the other opportunities out there that people should consider

Eric: so there's a couple of things but I'll  say like when we do our gun hunting it's like an annual camaraderie buddy thing you know it's like once a year it's this big deal thing the blaze orange whatever not everyone gets a deer but like the folks in the group then we're hunting for meat and so like I might tag two deer but I only need one but I'll  give that second deer to the other guy that didn't feel his tag yeah so if you're part of like a hunting party or a group like maybe you can kind of like it's a good idea collectively help one another in that sense or like I even split a deer with a buddy last year because two of us didn't my one friend got you know two extras so like might get one of my dad and then we split another one so like we still were able to get me without even tagging anything which is pretty cool to have that so then we're paying for that bill and he'd have to have a bigger bill with you know the meat processor or like forego the time to like butcher it up himself I have a another friend like they're pretty like there's two of them and they're like they both don't they they're co-owners of a business like a concrete masonry type business and so they're on the road all the time and they have like this weird competition of like how much roadkill they'll collect and then they do they like if it's salvageable they salvage it and then they have a huge cook-off for all of their employees with all this wild game that they've like collected from the road that's funny sounds grotesque and gross but honestly the meat in most cases you'd be surprised yeah I mean if it's winter if it's winter and it's been 30 degrees out you know I guess it's still good I'm  probably not going to number eight

 

i'm like you guys are nuts you know so that's like a super abstract obscure way to think about it I'm  not a small game hunter you're right about that I used to do a ton of ice fishing so that was always great yeah winter months the kids I don't have time now to like do that right at the moment so but that's always been like something that I really looked forward to after deer season was okay let's get the frickin ice frozen here and go send the shanty and chug beers and get some fish and that hasn't been a thing for like three years or four years so yeah and

Brad: if you want to find a good challenge like getting a 22 with a scope with with squirrels or something like that it's a great way to work on your aim squirrels are great eating if you know how to cook them and you know there's a lot of great opportunities out there with varmints too like you know groundhogs a lot of places don't have a season on them they're considered a pest so you and I haven't had it too I don't know if you're gonna eat it yeah jeremiah doughty does and he's got some chili recipes with coyote I haven't had his coyote chili but he says the key is getting them in the winter when they're not scavenging and and he says the the meat's great for cooking bobcats can be really good but if you I mean like low hanging fruit for a new hunter is you know really looking at the bird opportunities if there's any bird seasons open still or or coming up you know spring you do have turkey season coming around especially in the south like turkey season's opens up really early in the south I mean we're talking january for in florida for youth seasons and you know you can look at that but yeah I'm  a big advocate for small game because it's a nice really it's not nearly as intimidating to take a squirrel as a deer if you're new so you know looking into your small game opportunities is a great way to look at it all right man let's talk about some scouting tips what tips do you have for folks who to help them to lead to more finding more game you know I've  talked about this a lot in this show with parker mcdonald finding sign and following that sign and especially if you're moving to a mobile hunting setup it's key to find sign but what scouting tips do you have to help people get to that point

Eric: scout more step step one just whatever you're doing do more of it period like that is gotta be

Brad: out of the car get out of the car and scout

Eric: yeah yeah that's a good one too like you know I don't know just whatever you're doing do more of it like get out and do more scouting and for those that already do a whole bunch more like maybe that doesn't apply as much like obviously you can escout I'm  pretty obsessed about that all year round I'm  always like in discovery mode we tripped on a new property this past season that's basically in my backyard I mean it's three minutes away from my house I didn't even know it existed as public land we found some stuff through like the municipality of the city we live in some town ordinances and like uncovered all this stuff we're like oh my god we could totally bow hunt this and we had no clue and like not very many people know about it so like it's a bit of a gem so like your e-scouting can be a little deeper than just looking at like maps on on x you can go to like your county.gov website and see like if there's a rivergreen property there's plenty of those there's a conservancy draws where you can put in like a 10 you know ticket and they might draw you for limited public access or private access to you know their land so I do that I put in a draw every year for a couple of different like conservancy properties I'm  looking for like really small parcels and it's kind of like an urban hunting setting I'm  also collaborating with folks by teaming up and doing like a hunt with someone I haven't hunted with before and you know we'll share property so maybe they'll come to me and I'll  share one with them or vice versa and not that I'll  ever go back there again or like poach their spot from them I have no interest in that but I've  hunted several new properties because I went with someone else that already had a lot of like contextual knowledge about the area that they were in and so those are some of the ways that I've  like expanded my horizons with you know a little bit of effort but for like big dividends so when I did a collaboration with anthony heller with deer vein I actually saw three deer right and that was the first sit of the season actually saw deer and it was because of him and I you know the wind shifted so it didn't work out you know great we didn't have a kill but it was good to see them like oh my god they do exist you know yeah and then the the private parcel like the public parcel that's like owned by the city or what have you that was where I killed my buck this year so there's fun things like that the conservancy property I've  seen the biggest year of my life on those properties and they're just limited access only eight other hunters can access this property legally that like totally mitigates a lot of the hunting pressure that you might run into so

Brad: it also probably creates a safe haven that deer would come to to to kind of hide out and then you you talk to those people because you're like oh we're on the parking lot but all of us have this exclusive access so we're like this exclusive group of people so at that point you feel okay sharing with them I'm  going to be here where are you going to be because you know we need to strategize because we all only have this access for this season yeah you're like what days are you trying to come here so we can work this out together so now you have this totally different approach that you wouldn't get in another public property right and I'm  not even talking about like getting hunting land permission from private land owners or crop damage shakes from farmers there's all sorts of stuff you can do so I guess my answer is twofold scout more but also like increase the number of properties that you might be hunting so you can bounce around and by doing that you're going to start to learn more you're going to like condense your learning curve quite a bit you know it'd be like if you start a new job tomorrow and you had six months of training well if you worked you know 12 hour days instead of eight hour days you'd cover that six months a lot faster right so you can cram in a bunch more a lot a lot quicker by kind of finding some really neat ways to think about it

Brad: there's the startup guy he's like just work harder for for newbies you know a lot of times the this show is catering to really trying to help people get into it and it I think I think for a lot of veteran hunters all that was like slam dunk advice and and they would cheer that on but if you're totally new one thing that Eric kind of said with with scouting online I people overlook small areas too and and those rural more urban areas that might have like 10 acres though can really be like like I was kind of saying there might be like a sanctuary where deer are hiding out if you're looking at those online the the one like the greatest thing I could teach somebody in in a couple sentences is to remember that deer are lazy so so if you're looking for like areas where there's lower elevation or or if you know there's a fence line they're going to go through where the fence is down so you can like really start to give yourself an advantage when you hit a property on where to look if you just kind of keep that in mind you know the deer are are going to move where it takes the least effort which is hilarious because they're such athletes right but they they don't

Eric: you'll see them on like human paths all the time yeah you can be like oh the tracks are on my truck or whatever it's like yeah they they're trying to do the same thing you're doing they're trying to find the easiest path through and negotiate a piece of terrain they don't want to work that hard they have to conserve their calories you know they don't know where their next meal is going to come from half the time you know so it's like of course they're gonna take the way out yeah and so like obviously you know early season they might bed in the food because all I do is stand up and eat and then lay back down you know so like then as you go through the season you have to think about things a little differently yeah that's always food and bad food in bed and then you throw in wind and that's like that's your three kind of things to be concerned with in checking consistently if you can.

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